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katsh
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Post Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 26, 2009, 19:07

A number of States now require at least one mediation session prior to any judicial foreclosure of any residential property (often defined as four units or fewer, at least one of which is owner-occupied). The State where I reside, Massachusetts, is considering legislation to require mandatory mediation in a judicial foreclosure. By “mandatory” I mean that if the homeowner elects mediation, the lender/servicer must attend. I have been following this legislation and would be interested in discussing it with anyone interested.

In a larger context, I believe that ODR is an excellent venue for foreclosure mediation for at least the following reasons. In the first place, the lender/servicer will often be headquartered hundreds, or thousands, of miles away from any given property being foreclosed against. Few other types of dispute will, almost by definition, involve such distances between the disputants. ODR shrinks the miles to insignificance. Secondly, lender/servicers are not sufficiently staffed to handle all the different court appointments necessary to prosecute the current high number of foreclosures. One lender/servicer representative working from his or her desk can handle far more cases than would be possible were direct court appointments necessary. Thirdly, most homeowner foreclosures are not that unique; their “complexity” pales beside that of commercial or industrial foreclosure actions. This characteristic would allow lender/servicers “standardize” to some extent their responses to requests to modify loans, etc. Such standardization would fit neatly into a paradigm that used written, rather than verbal, communication.

I would be pleased to discuss the above, or other aspects of foreclosure mediation through the ODR process.

Chittu
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 26, 2009, 20:58

Hi Ethan,

Interestingly, we are discussing with some people here in India on the possibility of using ODR to facilitate disputes falling under the ambit of dishonour of cheque for insufficiency of funds. This might fall under the “foreclosure mediation” discussed.

I would be interested to hear more on how to reduce backlog of these cases using ODR methods.

Thanks
Chittu

JeffAresty
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 27, 2009, 12:03

One of the issues in these cases is the disparate location of lenders and borrowers. Most lenders have sold off their mortgages to distant servicers, meaning that a borrower is going to have a difficult time getting in touch with someone they trust to discuss a modification. ODR is used to build trust. How could that work here?

Social entrepreneur, currently teaching Ethan Katsh’s course on Law and WWW at U Mass

lwing
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 27, 2009, 20:15

I wonder if methods of accountability (ie: legislation, monitoring, reporting mechanisms) could be put in place with foreclosure mediation to prevent the need for increasing trust. Or is building trust an important benefit or goal? I would imagine for many homeowners, there is already lack of trust in the lender and so perhaps what they yearn for is trust in the ODR system as opposed to the lender. Are there ways to enhance both? Is that necessary?

susan202ca
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 27, 2009, 20:37

I like the idea of trust in the system. Ethan stated in the introductory posting that there are typical options for handling mortgage foreclosure disputes. What if a menue of options were included and the partis had to limit their discussions to those options? On the other hand, would that foreclose the idea of an informal, flexible process.

As to trusting the parties, could telepresence be used to enhance visuals? Also, what about the use of holograms so that the parties could see each other and feel as though they were in the same room even though they are phsically distant? While both processes are probably cost prohibitive and seem really futuristic for us, they are both available processes and I suspect not so costly in the near future.

Susan

Professor of Law

rtill96
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 28, 2009, 05:29

The issue of “trust” needs to be more fully explored. I don’t believe there is a need to have “trust” in the other party to the mediation. The homeowner does not need to trust its lender, only that a final agreement is enforceable. However, as susan202ca pointed out, there does need to be trust in the system. If either party is to use ODR they need to know it could result in a positive outcome. But I believe this is true for all applications of ODR. As mediators, we cherish the concept that mediated agreements are better than judicial actions in maintaining some level of community between the participants. But if ODR allows participants to resolve an issue without ever being in the same room, it lends itself to participants who never had a personal relationship in the first place and don’t want one going forward. So the issue of trust, I believe, needs to be directed toward ensuring an ODR system that is secure and private and an outcome that is enforceable.

I am a practicing mediator focusing on all aspects of real property (including foreclosure) mediation.

Pat
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 28, 2009, 06:48

Hello everybody in this topic! I live in Argentina, I do not know whether you remember, but a couple of years ago, exactly December 2001- January 2002, our economy came to a point of standstill. It was terrible since everything related to Finance and Economy was based on a dollar basis and the Government decided to turn into “pesos” (our currency)all credits & debts. At the same time the price of each Dollar was no longer =U$s1. The price of the dollar started climbing up to U$s1= .00!!!! You can´t imagine the CHAOS CREATED!!!
So everybody started suing everybody, there were queues of 3, 4 blocks´long outside the courts…
But we managed to find out a solution. In our country Mediation is mandatory since 1995, but for certain specifically excluded topics.
Any topic realted to Mortgages or foreclosures had to go through mediation before going to the courts. Then mediation became one way out.
There were thousands of mediations related to this topic and the work of mediators found a great solution which was trusted by everybody. It was such a a great job that ordinary people started using the mechanism to solve anything related to pesos/ dollar. It was called “esfuerzo compartido” (a kind of “collaborative effort”), by this method the debtor had to offer more than per dollar, such as - .80 per dollar and the creditor must accept that offer even though the price of the dollar was higher than that.
This rearrengement of our finances was helped by mediation in a very important part. Mediaton became trusted by everyone, and anybody who had a financial issue related to the pesos/dollar question WANTED to go through mediation.
Mediation system became trusted by everybody.
Then as regards the question submitted by Katsh, I think going through mediation will certainly solve problems but, you have to bear in mind, every case is different and I´m sure (talking from my professional experience)that mediation will not bring an only and standarized solution. Every solution must be worked out from a collaborative point. When I say “worked out” I mean worked between the lender ( creditor), the houseowner (debtor) and the mediator who must attend both parties needs and contribute to find the perfect solution to the case.
At least it was the way in which it worked here, in Argentina.
So if you ask me (professionally speaking) if I am for “mandatory Mediation” process in this particular case I would say A SOLID YES!!!
I am attorney at law, sworn translator (specialised in law) as well al newly practicing mediator.
I hope I had given you some material for thought.
Greetings, Pat.

Attorney at law, Sworn translator, Mediator

Graham Ross
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 28, 2009, 16:49

Ethan sets out some compelling reasons why ODR fits foreclosure mediation. I would add:-

1. Foreclosure is the end game threat that the lenders often want to avoid as much as the borrowers. Its all about reaching repayment agreement at as little cost as possible. ODR wins hands down on costs compared to in-person.

2. Post-settlement payment arrangements are frequently breached further down the line. ODR mediations never need to close and can be resurrected easily and cheaply once payments arrangements begin to fall down.

3. Borrowers in difficulty end up in greater default because of an increasing inability to find the strength to open red letters. For those in this category, the formality of attending a mediation presents an even greater barrier. In contrast electronic negotiations prompted by email can be made harder to ignore and easier to engage in.

4. Online negotiations could be assisted by integrating live housing sale figures for the locality so as to better assess how long it will take for a foreclosed house to sell and, in negative equity markets, at what loss to the lender.

Graham

UK lawyer/mediator and Founder/MD of the ODR training and ODR software developement company, The Mediation Room.com

thibodeauc
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 28, 2009, 21:12

Hi Ethan,

It appears as though a neighboring state has already instituted a similar foreclosure mediation program: Connecticut.

http://www.jud.ct.gov/foreclosure/attorney_qs.htm

This information indicates that the mediation sessions take place in-person at various courthouses throughout the state and that while a mortgagee may be represented by counsel at the mediation, with proper authority and availabilty remotely, if the mortgager is represented, both the client and counsel must be present. While the implementation of ODR would be an interesting proposition, do you think that holding the meeting in person holds all parties more accountable for the future of the mortgage?

I am a student in the Negotiation and Dispute Resolution Program at Creighton University

rwolf
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Post Re: Introductory message about this discussion
on: October 29, 2009, 13:30

Ethan:

Maryland has been focusing a lot on this issue and the governor has announced he is going to push for mandatory mediation. Part of problem in Maryland is that foreclosure process is in rem and once filed moves quickly so notice and scheduling is a concern. That said, ODR could fit in nicely assuming you have knowledgeable parties (e.g. understand the programs available — federal HAMP or individual bank or fha etc.)and paper work is all done ahead of time so that parties have all of information need and preliminary assessment can be made.

It may even be good idea to first pair homeowner with a housing counselor to get the prelimnary work done — which could be done on line too.

The loan servicer needs to be operating in good faith for this to work and the borrower needs to be represented or knowledgeable to work through paper work and understand programs.

I think it would be interesting to do a pilot and see how it works. We will have plenty of time it seems sincthe next wave of foreclosures is about to come in and then I’ve been told we can expect a large wave of commercial foreclosures.

roger wolf

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